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[Reddaz]

I'm sorry but if my son or daughter was gay I wouldn't go mad or furious. It isn't a choice they make. It is something they can't control. If my son was attracted to men then so be it. So what, he is still my son, I would love him no less and I would defend him against anyone who said anything bad about him being gay. Being Gay isn't something you choose to be. Do you really think they want to be gay to get all the that gays get? Of course they dont. Attraction is an emotion and you can't control your emotions.

[cerbera]

So if the majority of people decided that they didn't want to see black people in public it would be alright because it's a majority decision?

While doing my best to not take a side in this very controversial debate (hehe) I have to say that there's a difference there. It's because if people don't want to see homosexual behaviour on the streets it's completely different from not wanting to see someone on the streets because of their race. This is because homosexuality is technically (a big emphasis on technically) anti social behaviour. Homosexuality does not promote population growth and it's not considered part of traditional family life in that a traditional family in a society is expected to have a man and woman as husband and wife (expected to be married) and have children or at least have the thought of bearing children. Since homosexuality isn't in keeping with this principle I see what Damir means about not accepting homosexual public display of affection.

[cerbera]

I'm sorry but if my son or daughter was gay I wouldn't go mad or furious. It isn't a choice they make. It is something they can't control. If my son was attracted to men then so be it. So what, he is still my son, I would love him no less and I would defend him against anyone who said anything bad about him being gay. Being Gay isn't something you choose to be. Do you really think they want to be gay to get all the that gays get? Of course they dont. Attraction is an emotion and you can't control your emotions.

I agree with the part of that statement that I wouldn't be mad at my child because at the end of the day it's my child. I wouldn't approve but I'd just be forced to live with it.

I've always wondered if it's something that's innate or something developed through socialisation. Many gay people site their orientation as being affected by not having a father/mother figure in their homes. Some say they've switched because of bad heterosexual relationships in the past. That does make sense but at the same time, if you have a preference for something can it really just change like that and can you just suddenly stop feeling the way about the other? If physiologically you get aroused by seeing a naked woman, how is it possible for one day you just feel nothing at all and feel something for seeing a naked man?

[littlegemz]

I don't think homosexuality is right but it's not my place to tell people how to live their lives.

I agree.

Personally I would bring laws against that(it is personal opinion),but we don't have to do that cause we already have that,by the laws in many countries for example you can't have gay marriages,gay people can't adopt children etc...

So you believe they deserve secondhand rights compared to a straight couple?

and showing that kind of affection in public would produce crime against public order,just like consuming drugs in public like it or not it is a crime!

So you would accept if say the government in your company banned Christian or Muslim prayer services because they "disturbed public order"?

I don't want to insult nobody,but for those who aren't gays but supporting them to go in public,I have a simple question-for example your son/daughter one day bring you to home other guy/women to introduce it like his sexual partner?your reaction?

I'd be disappointed, but they're still my child.

I am a religious man but honestly that have nothing to do with me not supporting gays,once more personally I think it is against people nature!You may say they must have their freedom and rights like a humans,ok I agree,but freedom of one person stops there where freedom of another person starts-that means,they can do whatever they want in their bedrooms but the majority don't want to see that in public!

So if the majority of people decided that they didn't want to see black people in public it would be alright because it's a majority decision?

Well said.

I'm sorry but if my son or daughter was gay I wouldn't go mad or furious. It isn't a choice they make. It is something they can't control. If my son was attracted to men then so be it. So what, he is still my son, I would love him no less and I would defend him against anyone who said anything bad about him being gay. Being Gay isn't something you choose to be. Do you really think they want to be gay to get all the that gays get? Of course they dont. Attraction is an emotion and you can't control your emotions.

Another well said.

I am not going to comment on other things some have said because I don't want this thread to turn.

[cerbera]

I am not going to comment on other things some have said because I don't want this thread to turn.

Like walking on thin ice huh? LOL

[damir]

I accept every opinion and don't have problem with that,I am not going to insult nobody I am just exchanging opinions,if anyone have something to say on that what I wrote-please feel free to do so!

[damir]

So if the majority of people decided that they didn't want to see black people in public it would be alright because it's a majority decision?

While doing my best to not take a side in this very controversial debate (hehe) I have to say that there's a difference there. It's because if people don't want to see homosexual behaviour on the streets it's completely different from not wanting to see someone on the streets because of their race. This is because homosexuality is technically (a big emphasis on technically) anti social behaviour. Homosexuality does not promote population growth and it's not considered part of traditional family life in that a traditional family in a society is expected to have a man and woman as husband and wife (expected to be married) and have children or at least have the thought of bearing children. Since homosexuality isn't in keeping with this principle I see what Damir means about not accepting homosexual public display of affection.

Cerbera thank you!Maybe I have language difficulties so sometimes it is hard to understand me-but you did understand me so I hope that others can also,but mostly I was saying about is it a natural or not-homosexuality,that is all,maybe that makes me look like a barbarian but what can I do,and it is not only just like that in my third-world country,you can find the same opinions in USA,UK etc...

[littlegemz]

I don't have a problem with your opinion damir - if your against it then your against it... who am I to tell you your wrong, its public opinion.

I just don't agree with people who are against gays because its not their choice who they fall for.. I also have a best friend who is lesbian so I guess I am always going to be defensive about this subject.

Four points on why there is nothing wrong with being gay in my opinion:

1.They are born that way.
2. Homosexuality is of no harm to the participants or to anyone else.
3. If it feels right to those involved, it is nobody else's business.
4. Homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships are equally valid. (Some even claim that the Bible condones homosexual relationships.)

People can love whoever they want. It's sexist to say that a man can't love a man and a woman can't love a woman. I think that it's fine.

People are born this way, they can't help it, and it's better for them to go with what they feel is right and what they are born to be than for them to have to feel like it's wrong because society says it is and have to be with someone when they don't want to be with just to conform to society.

[Kerr345]

While doing my best to not take a side in this very controversial debate (hehe) I have to say that there's a difference there. It's because if people don't want to see homosexual behaviour on the streets it's completely different from not wanting to see someone on the streets because of their race. This is because homosexuality is technically (a big emphasis on technically) anti social behaviour. Homosexuality does not promote population growth and it's not considered part of traditional family life in that a traditional family in a society is expected to have a man and woman as husband and wife (expected to be married) and have children or at least have the thought of bearing children. Since homosexuality isn't in keeping with this principle I see what Damir means about not accepting homosexual public display of affection.

So if wearing a burkha in public in the US is considered anti-social behavior because they are rejecting regular American views, would it be right to legislate it so wearing a burkha is illegal?

I think I wrote it clearly so read it carefully once again!I sad the majority don't want to see them in public and we all have our reasons,can we agree on that?

Yes.

do you want to see them doing whatever they do in public?

I don't want to see fat people making out in public. That doesn't mean I take it as my right to force them to stop.

I can't see how can we relate that with 'black person on the street',everyone here said that they don't want to see them and said it why!Not just I love to see black person on the street but I love to see black AND white person on the street TOGETHER if you ask me,cause I think it is natural,and can't see how two men holding their hands and kissing in the park can be natural(we can go in details),give me one proof for that?

One proof it's natural? If we go by the definition of natural as occurring in nature, then homosexuality is natural.

Did anyone prove yet that isn't an illness-homosexuality?!I am not saying it is but did anyone prove that?

Did anyone prove being a Christian is an illness? Being Muslim? No. It's a non-important question.

And..dividing people by tone of their skin or religion in companies and segregating them can't be good and right cause all that differences are natural and they can't be reasons for segregation!

Religion isn't natural. It's not inborn. It's a choice. And whether or not you think being homosexual is a choice or hereditary, discriminating against them is still that; discrimination.

[damir]

I don't have a problem with your opinion damir - if your against it then your against it... who am I to tell you your wrong, its public opinion.

I just don't agree with people who are against gays because its not their choice who they fall for.. I also have a best friend who is lesbian so I guess I am always going to be defensive about this subject.

Four points on why there is nothing wrong with being gay in my opinion:

1.They are born that way.
2. Homosexuality is of no harm to the participants or to anyone else.
3. If it feels right to those involved, it is nobody else's business.
4. Homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships are equally valid. (Some even claim that the Bible condones homosexual relationships.)

People can love whoever they want. It's sexist to say that a man can't love a man and a woman can't love a woman. I think that it's fine.

People are born this way, they can't help it, and it's better for them to go with what they feel is right and what they are born to be than for them to have to feel like it's wrong because society says it is and have to be with someone when they don't want to be with just to conform to society.

hehe Ok,I agree on all you wrote,I wrote also about that earlier please check it,I wrote about it before everyone here said it,my comment was first here,check it!But,I can't agree only on that first 'they are born that way',any scientific proof on that,anyone?And mostly I was saying about that,who can tell that has something to do with genetics or nature?But I did make mistake in one thing,cause I gone too far and too deep and apologize to all you about that!