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[Kerr345]

The whole point of a society is determining what's accepted and what isn't.

No, that isn't the point because as we can see from multiple examples in history, when given that absolute power, society abuses it.

That's what the basis of the definition of a society is. It's a group of people that share the same culture or ideas or wants or norms and values. Whatever the collective thinks is right is deemed by that society as wholesome behaviour. It's just automatic.

No, it's not. Society's job isn't to decide what they dislike and therefore illegalize. It shouldn't have the power to dehumanize people through unfair legislation.

It's not like someone comes along and bangs a gavel and say this is right and off with anyone's head who doesn't agree.

But it's alright when many people decide that?

I am not sure is this related to me(sorry if I made mistake),but if it is,at least this part '..grow up' isn't necessary!I know that on the internet you can say anything to anyone,and I am not insulted with that,but if someone is exchanging opinions with you without insulting,I think you should act in same way!Honestly I respect all you say,but if there is anyone on this forum who think my posts are stupid,and that I am stupid and talking rubbish-than please ignore me,I don't want to be boring or annoying to anyone!Also if anyone think my language is so bad that is hard to understand me-also ignore me!Personally I think my posts here on this topic about homosexuals were not stupid cause they created a lot of reactions and responding!We are just going in circle so I am going to stop with this topic

That wasn't directed at you. I think it was a mod editing my post for whatever reason.

[cerbera]

The whole point of a society is determining what's accepted and what isn't.

No, that isn't the point because as we can see from multiple examples in history, when given that absolute power, society abuses it.

That's what the basis of the definition of a society is. It's a group of people that share the same culture or ideas or wants or norms and values. Whatever the collective thinks is right is deemed by that society as wholesome behaviour. It's just automatic.

No, it's not. Society's job isn't to decide what they dislike and therefore illegalize. It shouldn't have the power to dehumanize people through unfair legislation.

That is the actual definition of what a society is that I gave you. I studied Sociology. That's the Sociological definition of what a society is.

It's not like someone comes along and bangs a gavel and say this is right and off with anyone's head who doesn't agree.

But it's alright when many people decide that?

I just said it's not what a society sets out to do. That should be enough. I never said it's alright for people to do that.

[Kerr345]

That's fine. I thought you were saying it was society's absolute power to decide everything.

[damir]

The whole point of a society is determining what's accepted and what isn't.

No, that isn't the point because as we can see from multiple examples in history, when given that absolute power, society abuses it.

That's what the basis of the definition of a society is. It's a group of people that share the same culture or ideas or wants or norms and values. Whatever the collective thinks is right is deemed by that society as wholesome behaviour. It's just automatic.

No, it's not. Society's job isn't to decide what they dislike and therefore illegalize. It shouldn't have the power to dehumanize people through unfair legislation.

It's not like someone comes along and bangs a gavel and say this is right and off with anyone's head who doesn't agree.

But it's alright when many people decide that?

I am not sure is this related to me(sorry if I made mistake),but if it is,at least this part '..grow up' isn't necessary!I know that on the internet you can say anything to anyone,and I am not insulted with that,but if someone is exchanging opinions with you without insulting,I think you should act in same way!Honestly I respect all you say,but if there is anyone on this forum who think my posts are stupid,and that I am stupid and talking rubbish-than please ignore me,I don't want to be boring or annoying to anyone!Also if anyone think my language is so bad that is hard to understand me-also ignore me!Personally I think my posts here on this topic about homosexuals were not stupid cause they created a lot of reactions and responding!We are just going in circle so I am going to stop with this topic

That wasn't directed at you. I think it was a mod editing my post for whatever reason.

ok,sorry

[damir]

I said-homosexuality isn't ok by nature and it is not true that you can be born as gay or straight,there is no such thing like gay-genes and genetics,and mostly I was saying about that,not about aspects of different society or how different societies look on to the homosexuality,you can go in every corner in this planet and the opinion about that will be the same in every society!

MAN+WOMAN=CHILD/CHILDREN(it is natural)
MAN+MAN =0 REPRODUCTION(don't want to advertise that on the streets/in privacy ok
WOMAN+WOMAN=0 REPRODUCTION(same)
MAN+MAN+ADOPTED CHILD=CHILD WITHOUT MOTHER
WOMAN+WOMAN+ADOPTED CHILD=CHILD WITHOUT FATHER

That was my point all the time and it is a very simple,nothing philosophical in it,I am not barbarian and some guy who lives in dark ages...it is true my society has strong influence and impact from religions(Christianity,Islam,Judaism) but we are not a religious society!Trust me I know what tolerance to others who are different in some ways means,In Sarajevo(where I was born and raised) and just in one more place in the world(Jerusalem) you can find in circle of 150 yards orthodox church,catholic church,mosque,and Jewish church(sinagoge),and you will never heard church bells and Imam calling on prayer in the same time to disturb each other(And I am inviting you all to come to visit my city )!That is the tolerance in true meaning!I know everything about tolerance to others!About homosexuality...respect every opinion,respect every kind of privacy,I don't want to see 'witch hunting' on them,but can't agree on promoting that on the streets,and Reddaz said that he doesn't want to see straight pairs doing that in public and I agree with that too!I guess it has something to do with good behavior in public places...

[damir]

P.S.I love my father,love my brother,love all my male friends,so man can love a man I agree,I love them but not in way I want to kiss them or want to have sex with them,hehe it isn't comfortable to say or talk about this for straight guy hehe

[Reddaz]

MAN+MAN+ADOPTED CHILD=CHILD WITHOUT MOTHER(corrupted family)
WOMAN+WOMAN+ADOPTED CHILD=CHILD WITHOUT FATHER(corrupted family)

Why is a child who is without a mother or father part of a corrupted family. There are straight parent's out there who abuse their child, beat it up, rape the child or whatever. Would that child have a better up bringing with two gay people who would love and cherish the child? I think it would. Gay people are just as able to be great parents as straight people. Creating a baby doesn't make you a mother or a father, almost anybody can be a sperm donar.

I lived with my mother all my life as my parents split up when I was 6 months old. My dad is a pig and I am better off without him, all he ever does is make me feel like , puts me down all the time, he thinks money is the answer to everything and he treats his new family like crap. I would rather not have a father if it means all he is going to be is a bad influence on my life.

[damir]

MAN+MAN+ADOPTED CHILD=CHILD WITHOUT MOTHER(corrupted family)
WOMAN+WOMAN+ADOPTED CHILD=CHILD WITHOUT FATHER(corrupted family)

Why is a child who is without a mother or father part of a corrupted family. There are straight parent's out there who abuse their child, beat it up, rape the child or whatever. Would that child have a better up bringing with two gay people who would love and cherish the child? I think it would. Gay people are just as able to be great parents as straight people. Creating a baby doesn't make you a mother or a father, almost anybody can be a sperm donar.

I lived with my mother all my life as my parents split up when I was 6 months old. My dad is a pig and I am better off without him, all he ever does is make me feel like , puts me down all the time, he thinks money is the answer to everything and he treats his new family like crap. I would rather not have a father if it means all he is going to be is a bad influence on my life.

Why do you all skip my point,what about first thing that I said?And that is all I am trying to say!Can we agree on that it is the best for child to grow up in 'healthy' family with both,mother and father who take care of that child,is that the best possibility or not????If your answer is 'yes' than I don't have to say anything more on that!but if you want to talk about bad parents,and that problem,we can put that topic some other time I will talk about it!

[damir]

p.s.maybe I didn't use the right word-'corrupted',sorry for that,sometimes I just use free translation from my language to english and sometimes that word can have another meaning,SO I REMOVED THAT WORD!I will explain what I mean by that word-child need his mother,and also need a father!it is a simple,missing one them isn't situation that any on this world want!

[Reddaz]

Can we agree on that it is the best for child to grow up in 'healthy' family with both,mother and father who take care of that child,is that the best possibility or not????

It would only be the best option because of the world today and their views on gays, but a gay family can be a "healthy" family and bring up a child just as well imo.