Whats the point in Arsenal signing KIDS?

This morning I see a host of sites reporting that we beat Chelsea in the race to sign a child (15 year old) Kyle Ebecilio from Feyenoord.

No doubt that most of you are happy about this and think this is a great signing for the future?

But lets just think about that for a sec…

Since wenger arrived at Arsenal he has signed players like this and said that the future would be great, but in the 13 plus years that Wenger has been at the club how many of the so called “Superkids” have gone on and made it at Arsenal?..Cesc, Clichy?

We were all told that Bentley would be the new Bergkamp and how Ryan Smith was going to be our Ryan Giggs etc…

Plus the likes of Quicny, Svard, Volz etc etc… The sad fact is that for ever Cesc Fabregas we sign as a kid there are 10 Vincent van den Berg at Arsenal, so i apologise for getting excited about the news of us signing more kids for the future.

Sometimes i question why do we waste so much time and money of signing kids when 90% of them never make it at Arsenal. No doubt they are some very talented players but its a myth that Wenger gives youth a chance. Look at the likes of Carlos Vela and Armand Traoré at Arsenal. both players have been sent out on loan and returned to the club last season. Both hardly never got a chance and were overlooked despite loads of injuries in there positions last season. Silvestre played ahead of Traore at Left back and Vela didnt even come close to getting a chance up front, even after the likes of RVP,Nic and Eduardo were all missing.

Its seems to me that if a young player comes to Arsenal they are hailed as the next big thing and the new Henry or Bergkamp when in fact they are just talented kids who will more or likely end up like Arturo Lupoli or Bischoff in some lower league team.

Wenger has a massive rep for developing young talent as being his main skill as a coach?

Fran, Upson, Bentley, Sidwell, Quincy, Volz, Senderos, Skulason, Simek, Papadopulos, Justin Hoyte, Muamba, Stokes, Larsson, Connolly, Garry, Pennant, Juan, Jerome Thomas, Rohan Ricketts, Paulinho, Carlin Itonga & Rui Fonte

All hailed by Wenger in the past as being the future of this club and all sold before even getting a sniff, Now we have the likes of Jay Simpson, Jay Emmanuel-Thomas, Håvard Nordtveit, Nacer Barazite,Francis Coquelin,Henri Lansbury, Pedro Botelho and many more… The sad fact is that most of the players named above will not make it at Arsenal and will end up like Graham Barrett.

My point is, Just because we sign a “SUPER” kid, don’t expect them to go on and make it at Arsenal. I would like Arsenal to take time out of signing players for the future and start thinking about the present

Debate this more on the forum ( HERE )




  1. rico

    June 6, 2010 at 1:38 pm


    i think you are being a tad harsh – its a ‘real’ issue, how much to we pay to get these kids, how much do we pay them in wages?? Then, when a real star comes along we let him go?? Merida I mean…

    For a manger who bleats on about youth and how he believes in it, you sure don’t see them get a chance other than in the CC….

  2. Topboy339

    June 6, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Hi Kids….

    This is my first time reading this blog, and I have to say I am a little bit Disappointed…not with the original post as that does raise some interesting points. The reaction however is all a bit negative.

    There seems to be a split between arsenal fans….winning football at any cost or the beautiful game on a budget?

    personally if you pay your money you take your choice, and i want to be entertained.

    I read in earlier post that “time is of the essence!”……begs the question…WHY?

    whose set this time frame that you talk about?

    or is that a media thing that just happens to suit the purpose of whinging about without a doubt the best manager arsenal have ever had. There is no time limit to when arsenal become successful again as the club has been made financially stable. I would suggest then that it just an impatience on some supporters part because they can’t stand a little bit of barracking from the teams that are buying themselves into debt.

    There supporters are too stupid to see it coming, let’s not go down that road.



  3. rico

    June 6, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    and how many are good enough to play then perry – which ones, if we need them to stay within the rule, would you throw into the starting eleven??

  4. rico

    June 6, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    five years of nothing is long enough, too long, time to spend the money getting experience….

  5. RichE

    June 6, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    It doesn’t matter how good they are to play now but to continue to meet the home grown rule criteria we have to continue to bring them through! However at the min, we have a good few teenagers, I wouldn’t wince at seeing in starting 11, Ramsay, Wilshere, Gibbs and the polish keeper!

    However within the home grown rule we have plenty, djourou, bendtner, who was a 15 goal striker two seasons ago, not bad for a striker who was 3rd choice, fabregas, clichy, song deilson, Walcott, diaby, so the bulk of our team!

    As well this article doesn’t make a lot of sense, the budgets are seperate, he is brought in for the youth teams, and it is simply becaus wenger has history at unearthing gems tht these signings generate attention at our club!

    Take deeps breaths and relax

  6. RobM

    June 6, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    In the sense that all the big teams do this, then yes our youth team and academy are a farm.

    Now if you were a farmer and some of your harvest of peas were good enough to sell in your hyper expensive organic farm shop that caters to the likes of Jamie Oliver and Gordon Ramsey, would you just use the pick of the crop and throw the rest away or would you sell the “good enough but not for us” crops on to Tescos to make a profit off them too.

  7. Martin

    June 6, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    You want to read something ridiculous read your own comment it sounds like it was written at a desk in the Arsenal Press Office .

    The idea that the only choice we have is between doing what we’re doing and spoending like ManU and Chelsea is simply ridiculous. Your notion that Henry was the same sort of player as the players we are talking about here when we bought them is ridculous..

    And the most ridiculous thing your write is your naive blind-faith trust of our Directors and ex-Directors. How much of that 30 million Mr. Fiszman has receive do so far from Stan Kroenke do you think will go back inot the club? Or how much of the 100-160 million Lady Bracewell-Smith is looking to make will be given back to the club for the manager? How much of the Carr Family’s other shares that have been sold for several million pounds will? Who needs your cuts when you can just sell to the highest bidder and make a real killiing? Even Mr. Hill-Wood pocketed a Cool Million or two recently.

    And on top of that remember this – those investors selling out for millions – 80-100% of it all profit – have not put one penny into the club other than for the sahres they bought – even when the club needed it. Mr Hill-Wood even bragged about it recently taking about other clubs clubs whose directors “put their hands in their own pockets” to pay for things like players.

    Not the Men of Good Old Arsenal though – on no To pay the cost of re-developing a Highbury an unnecessary project whose loan placed the club 40%. deeper in debt the Directors reached into the football manager’s pockets and when they weren’t doing that they told the manager how much he could take – all so they could pursue a prject that so far has been of sole benefit to them and to Arsenal Holdings PLC and shows little or no sign of being of of any benefit to Arsenal Football Club . You remember them right – the football club and team we support?

    Supporters like you are a big part of the problem you tust the Board no matter what they say or do never once questioning them and then you parrot their lies to the supporters who are not as blindly faithful trying to reel them in – more comfortable letting the Board destroy all the good they did from 1998-2005 to make themselves even richer, than questioning their loyalty to the club and more importantly your own life-long faith and trust in them .

  8. Daniel

    June 6, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    “Fran, Upson, Bentley, Sidwell, Quincy, Volz, Senderos, Skulason, Simek, Papadopulos, Justin Hoyte, Muamba, Stokes, Larsson, Connolly, Garry, Pennant, Juan, Jerome Thomas, Rohan Ricketts, Paulinho, Carlin Itonga & Rui Fonte”

    If they’re aren’t good enough, we sell them.
    Fran – £4m (tribunal)
    Upson- £6m (with west ham sell on fee)
    Bentley – £13m (with spurs sell on fee)
    Sidwell- £2m (no sell on fee due to free transfer to chelsea)
    Hoyte – £ 3m
    Muamba- £ 6m (with sell on fee to bolton)
    Stokes- £2m
    Larsson- £1m
    Pennant -£6m (with sellon fee to liverpool)

    Thats only the players I know we made money from. Thats £43m we made on those young players. THAT PAID FOR Nasri, Arshavin and Vermaelen.
    The others that made it like Clichy (starter, International and valued at £15m), Cesc (captain, best player, International and valued at £40-50m), Song (Starter, International and valued at £12-14m), Bendtner (decent sub, International and valued at £!0- 15m), Diaby (starter, International and valued at £15m), Denilson (decent sub,valued at £6m), RVP (starter, Vice captain, International and valued at £30m), Toure (sold for £15m).

    For every Cesc, there’s a Merida.
    For every Pennant, there’s a Song.

    For every Messi, there’s a Dos Santos.
    For every Gabri there’s an Iniesta.

    For every Beckham, there’s a Richardson.
    For every Chadwick, there’s a Scholes.

    “My point is, Just because we sign a “SUPER” kid, don’t expect them to go on and make it at Arsenal. I would like Arsenal to take time out of signing players for the future and start thinking about the present”

    -Fair point but it works both ways, just because we sign a “SUPER” player for £20m, don’t expect them to go on and make it at Arsenal.
    see- Berbatov, Huntelaar, Keane, Aquilani, Ibrahimovic, Babel, Shevchenko, Robinho…..

    My point is that you could flip this article and say “what’s the point in Arsenal signing £20-30m players” if you really wanted to and provide very good stats and facts to support the argument (see list of players 3 lines above).

    Great football clubs are run with a perfect dichotomy between Youth and ££££££ (see barca right now- youth: Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Puyol- £££ Alves, Abidal, Ibrahimovic, Toure, Henry yet they’re still in 400m debt). Sometimes that dichotomy leans to one side more than the other and sometimes one side or even both don’t work very well (see spurs for 20 years).

    But to moan that a system isn’t working because the team finished 3rd in the top league in the world… 3RD—– 3RD… not 15th or bottom, 3RD and has reached quarter, semi and finals in the European Cup in it’s time is kinda spoilt. You ask Leeds if they’d take our system, 3RD place and Champions league last 4s, heck you ask Spurs, Man City, Liverpool, Juventus, Milan et al and I guarantee the answer wouldn’t be the same as this sites: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  9. Kipmonster

    June 6, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    I’ve questioned for agees the concentration in signing kids that realistically even if they fulfil potential wouldn’t be 1st team regulars for 4 or 5 years & if they do prove to be as good as Cesc they won’t be at Arsenal for their peak years of their career. It is clearly a financial consideration otherwise concentration on young signings would be on players in their early 20s who would mature to play their peak years at Arsenal. eg. Vieira & Henry . It’s baffling that Wenger who has turned 60 still concentrates on youth rather than the here & now flaws in the team. It seems he has lost the ruthless desire for silverware & is more focussed on the legacy he leaves being the Emirates & the training ground paid off in the main due to his brilliant financial management.

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  11. gunfire

    June 7, 2010 at 5:54 am

    This youth project has FAILED BADLY, after all the money and time spent on it over the years, we won nothing really to be proud of. .and worse still even the captain CECS wants to leave.

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