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The point is that this team has been playing together for several years now. This is more than any other team in the league and they are consistently in the top 4. For that reason they should have won the title this year.Man utd and Chelsea are in decline and Man city still haven’t gelled properly yet. However because Wenger refused to address our weaknesses (cb, dm,quality striker) in recent transfer window we have not progressed. His stubborness does not seem likely to change in the near future so we won’t win anything. We are all very frustrated at supporting a feeder club. The fat cats will keep getting fatter and the stars will leave. The board are far too comfortable with Wenger in charge (always getting top 4 with min transfer expenditure). If he were to leave, while we would appear to be shooting ourselves in the foot at least it would force the club to spend money. How many other top managers would accept not being able to buy any big players?
at last people are waking up arsene should of gone last season .
as i have posted on other gooner sites ,he got lucky when i took over from rioch (bergkamp)rioch signing
back four was george grahams.the guys full of shite i am paying over a grand to watch my team play pattercake football thet are just like a jaffa no finish to all there foreplay.and the doss he has brought to the club eboue,the two donkeys at cb,bendtner, i can go on. so lets all say thanks but no thanks arsene going and manage your boyhood dreamteam youngboys because thats al i hear you going on about.
A little question for the AKBs (Arsene knows brigade)
Q. When was the last time pope wenger won a trophy without players he inherited?
A. Never. A team that has consisted solely of players that arsene wenger has bought has NEVER won a single thing……and more importantly, never will.
WENGER OUT!!!
Thats more like it, ive missed you guys. Since we beat Blackpool 3-1 I havent heard from all the hatters, I wondered where you all got to, I watched the game today then went down the pub, just got back and I thought id check the news and sure as black is black here you all are whinging and moaning and bleeting on about the same old shit, welcome back so called football fans, we wouldnt be Arsenal without you.
I really enjoyed one of the comments above about us being entitled to championships and trophies because we pay money to go to games, if that is the case I think I was entitled to 5 million quid this weekend as I went out of my way to buy a lottery ticket, the bare faced cheek of some people ay.
Piers…
you are deluded mate.
Mourinho would demand a serious budget not the rubbish 40m inclusive of wages we’ve got.
Van Gaal… really? where are Bayern in the German League.
Guardiola… hahahahahahaha.. he’d leave barcelona where he has more money, better players and an established academy for Arsenal where he’d have what?. dream on.
villa_boas… what’s he done? managed porto. Ridiculous
Hiddink would need serious money to keep us in the top 4 much less win you anything.
Ridiculous. Some of you are just dreamers. In any event if we lose Wenger the club is going to have to spend serious money. Big money and where are they gonna get it? you guys think that we are Real madrid. As for all this nonsesne about generating money on match days… Arsenal are the third most indebted club in England… behind Chelsea and ManU. remember that… You think Danny Fiszman and Stan Kroenke are stupid??
Sack Wenger… please do and find out how stupid you’d all look. You think that you are big club like Real or barca when you are no bigger than Liverpool… where are they?
Mon dieu!!! What am I saying???
I forgot that one or two of his teams did win the Top Four Trophy and a couple of Emirates Cups.
Long live Wenger. In Arsene We Trust…..Bust more like.
WENGER OUT!!!
Mabs..
You are entitled to nothing as a fan. There are thousands of fans whose clubs have won nothing for decades and they are still fans. Arsenal have the 4th highest wage bill and are only 18th on the transfer league table… why do you imagine that you deserve a trophy. May be you need to try and grow up and get a more mature view on life. None of us deserve anything… you have no RIGHT to a trophy no matter how much you pay for your ticket. The club will try to win a trophy and do their best but YOU DESERVE NOTHING… that’s not how supporting a football team works.
A similar question back in 1996 John
Who is going to take over
Arsene Wenger…….pfft what’s he done? who the fuck has he ever managed Monaco, Nagoya Grampus Eight!!!!!
Why would the new manager need to spend serious money?
There is supposedly 40m in the pot and I think that is more than enough to get the right players in. Besides the new guy would shift some of the dross out and generate additional revenue for players.
In fact if Wenger was willing to change his ways and do the same, I would be more than happy for him to stay on.
John,
Who said we think we deserve the title? That is the whole point. We are rubbish and don’t deserve it. When we are the best team we will deserve it. We are currently not and therefore we are not happy. Why are you so stupid that you can’t see that?!
John, i want to know if wanger is a part owner of the club.
The Porto manager is class and would easily change our frustrating style of play. I also think that David Moyes of Everton has done wonders on a shoestring budget.
As far as the players here is my opinion.
OUT: Almunia, Mannone, Fabianski, Eboue, Clichy,Squillachi, Diaby, Denilson, Fabregas, Rosicky, Bendtner,Arshavin and Chamakh. 100 million from these sales + 40 million on budget for transfers = 140 million to spend on players.
IN: Given or Neur, Cahill, Vertoghen, Baines, Ilner, MVilla, Hazard, Rodwell, Benzema, Hulk, Falcao, or Rodallegha. We need English defenders and heart. Creative and Large boddies in midfield and Latino intelligence and speed in the offense.
Just because you didn’t know who Wenger was 1996 didn’t mean that he was unknown. Don’t assume that the insularity of English football fans is universal. Wenger had already won the French Championship with Monaco in a situation where tapie and Marseilles was buying matches, taken them to an ECL semi, something that Arsenal had never done at that time… and was refused permission by Monaco to talk to Bayern munich, Yes the Bayern Munich… then Monaco sacked him. he went japan and won with grampus 8 and then he came to us. Wenger was a top notch manager when we got him and it is because of his broad mind that he took the job. BTW Wenger is also the man that George Weah called up unto the stage when he won his FiFA world player of the year award… everyone in football apart from the muppets in the insular British press knew of Wenger.
You may not have known him but that’s on you. You people crack me up… you think that Arsenal are a really big club who have cemented a top 4 position something that was beyond even Liverpool and now you take it for granted. In a way i want Wenger gone too… I think that he is suffering too much… at least at Bayern or Real he’d have a proper competitive budget not this 40m nonsense and he’d earn more money for himself too… there if the fans abuse him it’d be worth it. Here he has a bunch of ill informed and ungrateful people who think that their club is already Real madrid and that they can get Jose Mourinho to come and spend their 40m inclusive of wages for them, insulting him!. Some of you are not serious.
the day david dein walked out on arsenal was the most important one in wengers time at arsenal. its like the clough and taylor partnership. wenger without doubt is a great manager and we still have some amazing players in this team. but what annoys the fans is the fact that with 3 to 4 quality signings and this could be a great team. nobody wants wenger to go out and spend millions on overrated players like man utd , spurs etc have done. we were spoiled a few yrs ago, the teams with viera petit henry bergkamp overmars,lungberg etc those teams where out of this world and nobody in football at present comes close to those players, you cant buy players like these anymore they are not out there and thats a fact, as football in terms of talent is in a huge decline, but there has to be better players than some of the shite we now have at the club. if only we could get dein to come back, he would provide the money to wenger and more importantly he would force him to spend it on quality and not to opt for the cheap talentless gutless faggots that wenger has had such a fondness for in the last couple yrs. this title was there for the taking man utd are complete and utter shite but they have alot of luck on their side and a the refs in their pocket. but even if wenger had to change his tactics, cut out the passing and get more direct we still would have won it, and with a few important signings we would have won by a mile. well heres to next yr hope its not groundhog day all over again. mr dein get your fucking self back to arsenal this summer please.
great post john, alot of truth in it. fuck mourinho the corrupt little cheating weasel, id hate to see that sleasy bastard managing our club, he wouldnt come anyway, having 40 million to spend for the whole season would be a joke to him.
MOURINHO PLEASE PLEASE SAVE OUR CLUB FROM BEING A LAUGHING STOCK!!!!!!!
Men stop living in the past,wenger is taking us for a ride.Arsenal is now a foot academy not determined to win a trophy but to raise players to sell to other clubs so money will go to the directors pockets.They (the directors) are satisfy with wot wenger is doing at the moment.I’m fed up,and i dont dwell in the past.so to you f**kers,wake up,forget wenger”s history and move on.Or remain trophy less.I’m not saying hire mourinho but if wenger is not gona change sack him or bear with him and remain cupless.Choose 1…
I wish I was the only one supporting arsenal right now. Cos I fucking hate most gooners right now, you talk shit and know fuck all about football.
I’m pissed off at arsene and arsenal right now. But the way you guys think that hanging him and buying all the best players you’ve heard of from FIFA11. Whilst trotting out the same shit sayings like “we need an English CB!” fuck off!!! That’s bullshit! English CBs are shit!
This projects has got close and it’s failed. But don’t think AW is not afraid to do what’s needed!’
I’m swearing at you guys because it’s the only fucking language you seem to understand!
So get some perspective. Consider the facts, draw some logical conclusions and present them in a detailed, concise and calm manner…otherwise just fuck off
And another thing. Thinking David dein is Jesus fuckin christ! Bollocks he tried
To flog us to some Russian mafia wanker. For a few bucks in his pants DD can go and fucking wank off over his own orange ego!
I do take your point and agree with your disgust at the outcome of this season but I think it is just too short sighted to sack Wenger. The winning styles of Chelsea and Man U are juggernaut through seasons, and this style of winning (grinding out results) by the team in form is habitual and hard to replicate in a team so young and, ultimately, cheap.
I firmly believe that the fundamental difference between Man U, Chelsea and us is, not just the money, but in fact the experience they have in their team. No doubt John Terry is an idiot. I’ll put that one out right there. But in the eyes of ambitious young footballers, the image of John Terry is probably admirable. A multi-millionaire playing regularly for Chelsea and England, on the front page of every football gossip column. Also, I’ll say the same for the golden oldies of Scholes and Giggs. I don’t like Scholes as such either, not least due to his leg-breaking rampage against Arsenal in the FA.
Yet, these players don’t really have to do much but just be there. Look at the players thriving in their teams now… its usually the younger ones. Its the same with ours. The problem with us is that our ‘seniors’ or ‘oldies’ have never won trophies and are about 23. I firmly firmly believe that we simply need 2 or 3 good experienced players to just calm the players down.
Now you say Wenger is myopic in his ethos. A fact well established. Though he’s not against this concept. Look at Jens, and Sol – surprised imports in the past year, and even Sebastian Squidword was probably brought in for his experience (I fail to why for what else)…
Arsenal are about the evolution, not the revolution of principles. Obviously here Arsenal haven’t evolved. But I firmly believe Wenger can – the club needs to get rid of the players who have so clearly fallen short this year and replace them with a few big money signings. We’re not talking about breaking the bank, or Arsenal business ethos, but just enough to make amends for the fact that our team just does not have the same quality as the title winners when it comes out to ‘getting a result’ when the chips are down, however possible.
In other words, with such a painstakingly obvious tragedy of a season, can Wenger evolve? — Of course he can. Though I think the fans should be vocal through the transfer season – rock the boat to steady it.
And on another note: next time Chamakh gets the ball in the box, lets all be prepared to scream shoot before the ball gets to him!
You should be ashamed for writing this crap. You are not a true fan. Arsenal are special because of Wenger and you want to bring in Moaninghole so we can play disgraceful football and maybe win a trophy and maybe not. Mourinho is only successful because of the sugar daddies who buy him whatever superstar he wants. He plays shit football. The only manager worthy of replacing Wenger would be Guardiola and I don’t think he will be leaving Barca. After Wenger, Bergkamp should become manager to carry on the philosophy. We are only a laughing stock because of pussy fans like you morons posting here….it shouldn’t matter at all what other fans think. You have very little character.
Wengers time is up, go now we’ve had enough failure
Tommo, be honest, you do know Wenger is a shit manager dont you, of course you do son
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FA Premier League Manager of the Year: 1998, 2002, 2004[131]
LMA Manager of the Year: 2001–02, 2003–04[132]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award: 2002,[133] 2004[134]
Freedom of Islington: 2004[135]
FWA Tribute Award: 2005[136]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2006[97]
Premier League Manager of the Month (11):[137] (March 1998, April 1998, October 2000,[138] April 2002,[139] September 2002,[140] August 2003,[141] February 2004,[142] August 2004,[143] September 2007,[144] December 2007,[145] February 2011[146])
World Coach of the Decade[147]
Why don’t you moaning wingers just fuck off to Chelski. We’re all disappointed but the reason you aren’t pro football managers is because you know fuck all about football and that is quite clear from the absolute dross spouted on here. We’ve outplayed the opposition in the last three games and had dreadful luck (and some pretty woeful refereeing too). If we’d won those games you all be saying how great we are and what big Arsenal fans you are. The club and its true supporters need Wenger a hell of a lot more than it needs you armchair kids who’ve never experienced hard times. Grow up or fuck off.
What can you win when u play a predictable game throughout the whole season.Other teams can easy defend and counter all the strategies .How can you win when the back4 are all inexperienced learners in front of a learner goalkeeper .I don`t know what it will take to make the manager see and understand what the millions of fans and a host of competitor coaches are seeing.
Although I do not think the manager should go,his rigid philosophy needs to change . Failure to that then he should go.Our young players should learn from experienced and seasoned players unlike now whereby they are expected to learn from themselves when they are all just about the same level.
Bolton were better than us-they just were-and I am not surprised we lost. Over the season we are about the level of Spurs or just a tad worse.Why do we expect to win anything? I dont believe it is about any one player-we are lacking-the whole system does not work. Playing this way, the team is burnt out every season 2/3rds of the way through, the players have to work too hard to get a basic win. English football, the refs and even our own fans are not the problem-we are the problem-trying to be a French team in the EPL. Our team does not have enough defenders and tacklers-the defence it does have is disorganised and is routinely caught out of position. We are still trying to play the way we were five years ago-other teams have overtaken and are better than us now. I’m talking about Bolton and Birmingham and Stoke. We lost the Carling Cup because Birmingham beat us. Face it stop making excuses. Stop dreaming. Arsene has had his day-it doesnt work-it only worked when we had English central defenders.
Arsenal need a real coach- not a philosopher-who can start by coaching the team how to defend, how to tackle. We have too many luxury players and some of these must go. We also need to compete in the transfer market.
right on tommo and john!! fuck all these wenger haters. these are all the bulshit supporters who contributed in fucking up our season. get real and get ahold of yourselves.
Tommo, you fucking wanker do you want me to post Fergiescum, Moaner, Ancelotti, Van Gall, Guardiola’s etc. achievements which are far greater than anything WHinger has ever done and some of them are far younger than he is.
He’s won 3 titles in 14 fucking years. Every one of the above has won more than him in less time. Stop kissing his arse and learn to face upto the facts
John, you are an idiot. Nuff said..
This is it. It is finally confirmed the gunners aint good enough no matter what Wenger says.He has no one but himself to blame. He buys,selects the players and decides how the gunners play. In truth the overplay 99.9999% of the time.I aint surprised they have lost and will lose to the red faced cunt. Why?
As Koeman so accurately pointed out some season ago,the gunners overplay and indulge in pass and pass a thousand times.
If gold medals were awarded for ballet like movement and intricate and beautiful/sexy passing,Wenger will be no 1. Unfortunately football is not about how you play. It’s about goals and winning.Wenger has got his priorities wrong.
We gunner fans have next season to look forward to. If it’s more of the same ie 1000 passes before shooting before a packed defence,then I.m afarid Wenegr has the trust of all gooner fans and should leave.
john, you are spot on….fans have no right to a trophy. Arsenal fc and its manager tries their best to win silverware for their supporters.
I am looking at the article and at fans responses here and I think there are pros and cons to all the arguments here. To be frank we have not deserved to win anything as we have not been good enough; and before anyone says “look at the football we play”, I will say its goals in the back of the net and games won that win trophies. We are a team that has no spirit, desire or passion to win. The spirit crumbles when we come under pressure. This is down to the way we play and the quality of the players. We have players who are not good enough and players that are good enough but need experienced players around them to learn from. This is down to the manager and coaches. Tactically Wenger is weak as he won’t change his game plan; coaching he is week as we do not appear to have coaches who are strong enough to stand unto Wenger and tell him what’s wrong. Wenger gas tried this experiment before in Monaco with young hone grown players. As commented in a response above he was sacked. Thus was because Monaco went down the league and did not win anything. We are currently doing the same. If Wenger can see the errors of his ways or be man enough to be shown them and correct them then he should be given a chance to. If he won’t then nice him upstairs and bring in someone who can take us forward. Before you ask who, I am not sure as I do not know enough of managers in world football.
Speak Your Mind I like it a blog that is not moderated well I will test it here goes. Face the facts fellow Gooners its back to the 1950s and 1960s without a trophy even if Wenger goes the board wont spend and will continue with the present philosophy .
What a pile of utter toss you write.
There is one thing you have right at least we have one of the biggest wage bills in the league and these players who are happy to take their 60 – 120 thousand pounds a week and play like they did on Sunday is an utter disgrace.
We all know how good this team can be, if every player tried to reach his potential and worked hard for the club and manager who pays their wages and gives them the opportunity to develop at the highest level and how did certain players repay their faith by drawing 9 winning 2 and losing 1 in a run in, in which seemingly the title was ours to claim. if this team works hard together we are better than Barcelona as we showed at home this year in a total football display strong in defence lethal on attack.
But i feel there is petulance in the ranks the likes of Nasri and that waste of space left back holding out on contracts supposedly for bigger wages than they actually deserve. And players half heartedly strolling around the pitch with no urgency i.e Cesc Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy, Song and Arshavin. In my opinion get rid of the players who dont want to be here and bring some players in who will fight for the arsenal cause.
One thing with Manchester United they may be shit and on a our day at our best we would pulverize them into mediocrity, all 11 what ever 11 players AF plays are willing to fight for the cause when they are not in possession the play the football and get the job done when they get the ball. A few of our players don’t have this attitude and have become like fat lazy politicians who take take take bit never give back an that my friends is what has lost the title NOT WENGER!
1. Put it into context we cant pay 17- 25 million a time three times a year for a player so Wenger gets players just as good for less.
2. We play the right style of football which we can beat any team in the league and cannot be matched by Chelsea spurs man city or man u BUT the players efforts to defend and help out our defence is the problem. Midfield players are not willing to defend as a team pressing the opposition constantly into mistakes which Barca and spain do so well, This team have been instructed to do this trust me but a few of the players wont and if even 1 player decides not to then the entire team suffer.
3. We need Wenger but we need to either sort out some of the players attitudes or sell them on and replace them with players who have a high skill level but more tenacity to allow arsenes game plans and tatics to work.
These boys need to look in the mirror and say did i do enough to deserve to win anything and for 10 players at arsenal that answer is NO and that my fellow gooners is not good enough
GUYS , GUYS, what are we debating about. The only reason we have this discussion is because we all love our club right???
I give up hoping for title since last season, but still love to watch the way arsenal play. ask me how did I do it???
because finally I come to my senses, at the end of the day this is only part of an entertainment.
If I was the owner of Arsenal, I would be more than happy to have Mr wenger to manage my club, cause he make money for the club, and still able to qualify for champion league every year. I wouldn’t want to win double or tripple but to loose a lot of money at end.
As fans we are all angry and disappointed, we protest and do other stuff, but can we change anything? You have to know who has the power, not us for sure.
Do you thing board will sack wenger? not in a million of time, as long as wenger can still make money to the club in a “healthiest way”, and still qualify for champion league, he will still in charge. The beatifull football part is just the gimmick to make fans happy, and we did didn’t we?
Just treat every single arsenal game as one of entertainment, and you all will be all right.
may be, just may be, arsenal will get lucky one day and win one or two silverware.
Cheers gooners
I can’t believe the bleeting that’s coming from the so called Arsenal fans, Tommo seems to be the only follower with any nous, Arsene Wenger has been and still is a wonderful manager and coach, when speaking to football fans up and down the country every one of them think Wenger is a master of his trade, Do you people not realise there would be a queue a mile long to sign your manager, his intelligence and knowledge is unsurpassed, do you really know his financial manacles or is he saying the right things to the media and the supporters to keep the pressure off the board. OK i understand the frustration of not being the league champions when without doubt you play the beautiful game superbly.Thank GOD for small mercies and just be grateful you have Wenger because he really is up there with the best of them
and Breathe…. Right yeah its frustrating and there some obvious errors within those games defensively we need to figure out, would i get rid of Wenger still? No way i don’t think there would be many managers who could best him, regardless of what every football manager obsessed fan wants to say. It’s close so, can we support the team becasue this negativity is one of the very reasons our team have struggled.
We can’t say Wenger has told them to over play or that he wanted Nasri to miss that one on one, becasue i doubt he has , that is to do with the confidence of the team and something that would help would be to get behind them at home. when we’re more aggressive, when our players don’t over think that is when we are at our best. We’re an attacking team our best form of defense is attack and that hasn’t happened ( goal wise), wenger is too hard on himself and that is the problem. alot of these players take self pity on themselves and with all thats gone on it is understandable why they haven’t got the focus or mentality to close out games now. Being a supporter is to cheer for your team when their down and out when things aren’t going right, keep this negativity away from the ground and the players it is doing no one any good.
Some people are just being ridiculous with the comments.
So we basically sell half our squad, buy about 4 players, and we win the league? This isnt championship manager, its the real thing. Every squad has mediocre players on the fringes, thats how it works!
Our crappy, terrible squad managed a cup final, 3rd (atm) in the league, and was knocked out of the CL by the best team in the world. Its simply obvious that we dont need major change – we are already close.
In my opinion, a top notch experienced keeper along with a commanding centre half would make a huge difference to our squad. Those 2 changes would increase our tally of points hugely. Rather than selling 10/15 players, replacing them and familiarising them with our ethos.
Im as disappointed as anyone, but some of the comments are just poisonous and stupid.
Wenger should most certainly not go – judging from his comments yesterday he is acutely aware of the problems we have, and he is the person to put it right. Give him some proper money for a change, and give him the chance to finish his squad.
The truth about our finances will come out one day, and some of you are going to be pretty ashamed – we have been operating on a shoestring budget since we moved to the Emirates. Wenger has been aware of this, and has taken a crazy amount of abuse for it.
Heres hoping that the new owner gives him a decent amount of money, and tells the truth about our financial state. Wenger has been carrying the can for too long.
You dont build a stadium and expect to sign world class players with the change.
Wake up and grow up.
And as for the “supporters” at the home games – you expect the players to produce week-in week-out….but you arent doing your job either. The place is like a morgue, our home support is a joke.
Its clear that its not just the squad thats lacking maturity.
p.s. When our manager openly states that “success is doing the best with what you have” and you
still fail to read between the lines, there really isnt much hope for you.
to the guy who is a season ticket holder…if u dont want your season ticket, i will gladly take it off ya hands u moron!! u dont realise how lucky u r!! go support chelsea or spurs m8!! this article is shocking and from so called SUPPORTER? nice support there, maybe if u got behind the team instead of slating it we might do better!! your all idiots who agree with this shite!! sack weneger, brilliant idea then cesc goes and prob wilshere, nasri, van persie!! your idiots all of ya! look at the bigger picture!! if we sack wenger, no1 will come in and do better!!! then your be moaning ‘oh i remember the days when we were in champions league and playing good footy every season now were not even in europe!! brijng back wenger!!’ your all clowns!!
I’m on a blog-wide campaign telling Gooners to give up their cable football tv subscription and stop wasting money to go to games. Arsenal are only worth viewing on free streaming. Do the right thing and save yourself the money, just like Wenger would have done if he was a paying fan. Besides, who is Arsenal kidding when they claim they are playing out-of-this-world football? Only Barca can make that claim and Arsenal is a very very poor-man’s Barca for that matter. Their matches have been the most boring and so one-dimensional that you will be forgiven if you think you are watching repeats. And the worst part is Gooners are getting mugged worldwide watching repeats. Be a man, do the right thing. Like Wenger would have.
Pier says:
A little question for the AKBs (Arsene knows brigade)
Q. When was the last time pope wenger won a trophy without players he inherited?
A. I’m going to hazard a guess at the Invicibles squad, one of the greatest teams to play the modern game and put together by Wenger for less than £50m. But you already knew that.
You guys miss the point.
“Wenger should most certainly not go – judging from his comments yesterday he is acutely aware of the problems we have, and he is the person to put it right”
We have been commiting the exact same mistakes, and he has done nothing. Our bad defense was there in 06/07, and we haven’t improved on that yet. We have been unable to go through tight defenses for a long time, yet we still blame our lack of sharpness… Don’t make me laugh that Wenger will change now – why now?
“We’ve outplayed the opposition in the last three games and had dreadful luck (and some pretty woeful refereeing too).”
Mr. Clueless talked there. 5 seasons of “bad luck and bad refereeing”, you sir are clueless. Open your eyes, there is nothing such as bad luck when the exact same things keep happening to you. If this was the first time we conceded from set pieces, if this was the first time we messed up in march/April, if this was the first time we made stupid mistakes in key times, allright, bad luck, but 5 seasons of the same has nothing to do with fortune.
A few years ago like many Arsenal supporters i’d have cried bitterly if Arsene left the club,
now if he did leave i’d be crying for joy.
We are being laughed at so enough is enough…….
In answer to some of the “scare mongers” and Arsene lovers I would say and remind them of the following;
1. Yes wenger had already won the French championship, but what you fail to mention is that he once again built on what was already at the club…..THEN he was sacked by them after selling off all the stars and building a side of basically young hopefulls which resulted in the side dropping out of contention for the league for 3 years….Sound familiar?????
2. Wenger has made excuse after excuse, season after season, He has made countess bad buys especially defenders (a fact that gets forgotten),
3. He is becoming an embarrassment with his touchline tantrums
4. He has also called this side the best he has had in his 14 years?????? What an insult to the sides of 1998/2000/2004…..they would beat the crap out of this gutless bunch.
Yes credit must be given to him for building on what was already a pretty good side in 1996, but he is not as good as is made out – as is being shown game after game, trophyless season after trophyless season.
The football now is Euro possession which personally I find tedious at times – it’s not like the incisive free flowing attacking play we had up to 2004 when we killed teams with pace skill and goals – a lot which came from quick 4/5 pass movements. The question comes did he make the change in style solely to accomodate Cesc ??? When you look that seems to have been the catalyst.
The scare mongers want us to believe that we should be happy with what we have because life without Wenger is unthinkable…..but hey we took him on when he had no experience in the EPL and it worked well for 7 years, why then can’t it happen again???
One day he has to go you know, and to be honest I would prefer him to go now while he still has a good reputation rather than fail /fall even further and loose some of that respect!
Finally, yes I know we are not Real Madrid, but we are not a Liverpool, we are a club with a history of being at the top of the English game for almost 100years (Top division since 1919 for those of you who don’t know) and the day we sit back and accept 2nd as being the best we can achieve then that will be the day we will put ourselves in the same category as the lot from White Shite Lane! I hope the Board have the guts to do something now!
Getting rid of Wenger is not the answer, instead the team need to work on shape, defending/pressing as a team and the set piece. A new number 2 with some balls and his own ideas would do the job nicely, look at man utd where Fergie gets in a new assistant every couple of years who takes training sessions and contributes new ideas. For example Carlos Queiros (spelling?) is the reason they have/had Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson, etc. We need some more variety in approach and players who can play in a variety of systems, it is all well and good to have players brought up through the academy but if they are unable to approach the game in different ways then some outside players would give a different edge.
Combine this with some more commitment from the directors, forcing Wenger to take a risk on a player or two and we are half way there.
Watching the game yesterday you can see that there are no plans for corners, no orchestration, two players should be running together to confuse the opposing defence, none of this happens which leads me to believe there are no plans. The same applies at throw-ins, does anyone else get frustrated at the inability to secure the ball with no players moving around to create space.
Overall there is not too much wrong with the team, if they had taken one or two of the chances we would not be having this discussion. That is the fine line in football and if anyone thinks that you can sell 10 players and buy 10 players in one close season and expect the team to gel is living in cloud cuckoo land.
As the manager said, evolution not revolution.
Now everyone is entitled to their opinion on whether Arsene should go or not… but considering what the man has done for the club (and those of you that want to claim that two doubles and an unbeaten season were pure luck are talking out of your arse’s) he at least deserves a bit more respect in the way to talk about him. So fair enough come up with your justifications for the need for a change but have some respect for a man that has stuck to his work and treated the club with honour. Remember when Madrid/Inter/Barcelona/every team in Europe wanted him he stood by us…
with wenger we rust!!!
What the AKB have never been able to explain satisfactorily is how a manager they believe to be infallible who discovered and nurtured some of the best attacking players Arsenal have ever has also introduced and played some of our worst ever defenders. For every Henry and Pires there has been an Almunia or Cygan or Silvestre or Squillacci or Senderos or Steppenoffs. Quite simply if his judgement is so good why are they so bad?
Poor defending and mistakes lose games and yesterday was another example if we ever needed it.
@Mike i was just researching that exact thing! Community sheild aren’t are thropies so since aresne has been here he has won 7 trophies… The back four of tony adams, martin kewon, lee dixon and jeff winterburn left by 2002… they won 4 trophies since then when wenger was inchange… so arsene has only won 3 trophies with his squad the incredibly brought together invicibles (thank you aresne for them). they won the double and a fa cup we won on penaties… Aresne is not the great champion we all think he has been… and ‘his’ defence has been the worst in arsenal history.
@mabsyou are spot on mate… no one wants us broke but spending 30 million on a new center back, defensive midfilders and stikers, whilst selling deadwood that you mentioned plus densilon we would be making a profit and opening up space for younger english players like JET and henri landsbury..
i don’t want aresne out but i want him to change but he won’t. So what the hell are going to do? wait until he retires to maybe win a trophy? 2015 here we come to fail again.
@goonerdave i don’t want arsene out and i think no one really does but things have to change.. but by getting rid of the players i have mentioned you open room for players like henri lansbury, JET, craig eastmound, gibbs, tom cruise, henderson and many other youth players who can be good fringe players as you said. Your right when you say we need to really know what the economic problem is, if we have one, at arsenal. but if they keep they we are making money while the bond on our loan is being paid at normal fixed rates then why should we say, “were in truble the biggest debt this world has ever seen, we can’t buy players,” or whatever? 25 million on a center back and a defensive midfilder is not too much esspically with the economic crisis in greek, italy and portugal we can get a good deal.
You know when me and my mates go watch arsenal we are pretty loud and do you know what we get for it? Abuse from older supporters and bussinessmen telling us to sit down cause they can’t see or shut up cause they can’t hear the ball moving. I argee with you it is dead and supporters in high teirs boo their own players like denislon and bedthner. Remember eboue? that was fucking disgrace man… but were two people… we can never change the pricing of the tickets.. it will only attract older men and bussinessmen… i spent 300 pounds to watch a spurs game! and we were the only wons supporting the team in my section!
but the money we supporters spend and the supporters that put money into the club need to be repayed… This team lacks mental strenght, emotion and passion as well as raw grit. We need changes. you can’t deny this?