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wenger is no longer a good coach, obviously!
i know a huge majority of fans have turned against arsene, and yes i know if he was manager of any of the other big teams hed be gone by now. but lets just take a step back a moment to look at what arsene has given this club, before arsene came to arsenal what big trophies did we win? we were playing the game but it was not an exciting game, he bought exciting players in like bergkamp, henry pires, van-persie and fabregas. the football these guys play is amazing and alot of the credit should go to arsene. its hard, i know not winning any trophies, its not all the managers fault, sure he has bought a few players that havn’t worked, but on the whole we have a great squad, most of them play for their countries so they have to be good, they have to treat every game as an important one not go out, beat man-u or chelsea then lose against the lower clubs, they have to be bothered about winning, they have to want it, not one or two of them, it takes all 11 to be at their best, give their all for the arsenal, then we will win silverware and everyone can lay off the greatest manager arsenal will ever have.
Wenger is the best thing that ever happened to our great club!! He agreed with the Board that he would not spend much money for four or five years until the stadium debt was reduced. The Board led by Lady Bracewell Smith, the estate of Danny Fisman, David Dein and the even the Chairman Peter Hill-Wood let Arsene down by cashing in on the large assets which Arsene had built for them. The gloves are now off and you can expect substantial spending in the summer with 3 or 4 top quality players. Instead of all you plastics aiming your criticism at Wenger, this should be aimed at most of the previous Board. In Arsene we trust. Up the Gunners !!
he doesn’t know best he clearly needs to buy buy buy though or it sill be bye bye bye.
We have people on here who ask what we won before Arsene took over. This is the type of fan that supports Wenger, the johnny come lately who actually think we won nothing before Wenger. Can you believe that
Well,well,well,we can’t event decide if we want Wenger or not…and who’d replace him? Mourinho? If so my three tickets go straight back. Hiddink? One trophy outside Holland although he did win the Champions League with PSV….suggestions on a postcard please…
So many sad saps are the glory hunting Arsenal fans who haven’t had to suffer the bad years…
i still believe strongly in AW. He made me love AFC. Wenger need to allow players that are not committed to our course to leave this summer and bring in 2 or 3 fighters(players with zeal and determination). Samba can help our defence line aloongside a fit Vermallen. In Arsene I trust.
Paulie some fans actually think the club was founded by a Frenchmen in the mid 90s….Typical of the new breed of Arsenal fans who forget all the clubs history
If not Wenger, then who? All the top coaches already have all the top jobs.
Do you want Allardyce? I also understand that David O’Leary would like the job.
Come on fellas, let’s get real – Arsene Wenger is a world class coach and if we lose him we will be very sorry – and I speak as one who has been coming to watch The Arsenal for 55 years.
lets get george graham back he knew how to make the team defend remember 1 0 to the arsenal he won the league fa cup and won a european cup
I will probably be attacked for this comment, but having been a staunch Gooner since 1969 when I was just 8 years old, I have seen a lot of Arsenal over the years and Wenger has put us on par with the club that Herebert Chapman built. In fairness, few others had since Chapman’s day.
Also – consider this: If ALL the shots that hit the woodwork from EVERY team in the EPL this season had gone in, Arsenal would have won the league on 86 points a week ago. Manure would be third on 73 points.
That’s how THIN the margins are between success and ‘failure’. Is that AW’s fault? I think he is most at fault for not being able to rouse the team when it’s needed. Or should the players take more responsibility?
I know (believe me – I know!!!!!!!) how hard the end of this season has been to stomach for most of us fans, but is getting rid of AW the answer? Making him spend a few more bob is certainly part of the answer, but getting rid??
No. We’d be fools and he’d end up guiding some team like Real Madrid to be winners of the Champions League.
I have said this on other sites and will say it here. Man U and Ferguson are the team to emuilate and try to surpass. Every time they have fallen slighty behind Us, blackburn and chelsea they have come back and by fixing problems with signings. Cantona retires, in comes yorke, sheringham, cole. Has the cream of the crop of young english players in beckham, scholes, nevilles and giggs (ok, welsh). needs a new centre back goes and pays 10 mil for Jap stam and when he leaves brings in ferdinand. cole stops scoring so in come van nistlerooy and then rooney and ronaldo. I could mention more but the last time Arsene really tried to fix a problem at arsenal was in 2002. We needed a new centreback to replace adams and what did he go an do? he signed Sol campbell. the most sort after free signing in europe one of the best center backs going. he convinced him to sign for us from spurs knowing sol would take moere flak osama bin ladin but he got him. since then arsene has used cheap alternatives to cover up the patches in the team. signing one player when he should have signed two. Hiding behind youth season after season and watching experienced players walk out the door.
look everyone says arsenal are 2 or 3 world class players away from winning the league. that may be true but the problem is we dont know. these world class players could come in and we could still finish 3rd or 4th. Wengers problem is that he wont take the risk . No fans will boo if world class players came in and the fought tooth and nail to try and win the league. but seeing the team whimper to a dismal finish again brings the hatered out in fans especially when some of them are paying around a grand for a season ticket.
‘In wenger we trust’ more like do we trust wenger to do anything different? i say no, he wont. he will buy 1 or 2 players most people have probably never heard of and the sam thing will happen yet again but this time we could end up 6th or 7th because if any one thinks man city, spurs, and liverpool aren’t going to be better next season then they have another thing coming. they will buy and buy well.
Wenger has truely biuilt a legacy at arsenal and for that we will be forever grateful but how long can he stay at the top? i have no doubt he will stay at the club for another 4 or 5 years no matter what i want. i just fear his experiment is back firing and it will soon lead us to being surpassed by our rivals.
@DAF. That stat about the wood work but it is no different than saying if all the shots that were finger tipped away or cleared off the line or went narrowly wide went in we would be top with a 100 points. The point of football is to put the ball inbetween the woodwork. and its part of the problem covering things up at arsenal. They are able to hide behind stats like that and say ‘oh if this had happed or if that had happed’ why not look at what actually happened and adress those problems. Why not look at the mistakes at some of the dead wood have made and move them on? why not look at the striking situtation and bring in some quality help for van p?
i agree with you that margins of failier and success are thin but those margins have been evident for the last 7 years and i’m afraid to say they seem to be gettting getting wider.
For those of you who say ‘If not Wenger, then who?’ @RayB pay attention. May i remind you that nobody in this country knew who wenger was before he came here but look at what he did. If he goes a replacement can be found. There are plenty of managers who could a brilliant job with Arsenals resources. here are a few.
Frank Rijkaard= champs league and 2 titles with barca
Louis van Gaal= several dutch titles and cups, as well as champs league with ajax. 2 titles with barca another with AZ and one with bayern.
Rudi Garcia= Coupe de france and soon to be French champion with unfancied lille.
André Villas-Boas= Europa league finalist9final played to be played on thursday) with Porto and Portuguese league winners this season.
Guus Hiddink= Several dutch titles and European Cup winner with PSV, Managed in 4 world cups, FA Cup winner with chelsea.
Jurgen Klopp=Won promotion to the bundesliga with unfancied Mainz and kept them there for years and just won Bundesliga with Dortmund signing some unheard of players (similar to AW) and turning them into league winners.
a few other names= David Platt, Dennis Bergkamp, Tony Adams, David Moyes, Owen Colye, Van Basten, Vicent Del Bosque, steve bould or Liam Brady.
The thing is to educate your selves. Wenger is a great manager no one is doubting that but if he goes (which he won’t) there are other people who can be given the job. He is not the only bloddy manager in the world.
Just a piont on eve’s post. It was Bruce Rioch who brought the legend that is Berkamp to Arsenal. Sure Wenger has done great things, but the way things are at the moment were are far from greatness.
Even if he does pull out the cheuque book I think most players wouldn’t want to come to a club that the main achievement is to qualify for the C.L every season, don’t get twisted I mean it’s great we are in the C.L but call me pessimistc, I think we are not going to win it any time soon.
dont fucking buy just go
@Frankie, David Moyes? Really?
Your first comment about how Arsenal fans wouldn’t be so angry with Wenger and the board if they still came up short but went out and atleast tried to bring in the best, proven players, proven fighters – is spot on.
I think this close season you’ll see a few surprises. Wenger’s had enough just as we have. He’ll make serious moves this summer in my opinion. Like you said the others will only get stronger and if City finish above us, it’s a huge wake up call for Arsene and he’ll have no choice but to act.
I was reading evra’s comments about how ferguson puts so much pressure on his players to win the title, as if he demands it. When they lost to us ferguson said “do u not want to win the 19th? how many titles will u throw away? are you all crazy?”
Wenger has to follow that mantra next season. The one time he gave the team a bollocking was against liverpool 2 seasons ago when we were 1-0 down at half time. We came back to win 1-2 at anfield. More of that please Arsene.
wenger out im sorry to say,,how did it come to this?surely kronke makes him spend money this summer if not bye bye arsene
we don’t want him anymore…. he think he can doing like fergie but he can’t, if he will still be ther for the next year that will be a disrace & a fucking shame for alla of us & the club…
We have to give Wenger one more season to get it right. Let’s knock some of those names off that long list of Frankie Frankie list.
Tony Adams Relegated with Wycombe in League One and given 16 matches with Portsmouth and won about three. Platt is again more a coach than a manager similar to Adams. Bergkamp is probably the same.
Frank Rijkaard was given a bottomless pit of money to win that one Champions League with Barcelona and nearly lost it to us in the final after one of our poorest league campaigns ever. He had a far more in depth sqaud than the current Barcelona team. Then lost the league twice to two of the poorest Real Madrid sides in living memory.
Rudi Garcia nice suggestion but again is still a bit inexperienced to takeover at Arsenal at this current period of time.
Andre Villa-Baros give him a chance to manage in the Champions League before making the step up to Arsenal.
Guus Hiddink retired and probably going back to Chelsea as an advisor or Technical coach.
Guardiola has at least one more season at Barcelona and even then he could extend it.
Jurgen Klopp again give him a chance to manage in the Champions League but is probably the most sensible suggestion because German league is a very competitive League.
David Moyes like him but has not won anything in 9 years at Everton very successful for Everton but still not won any of the major trophies.
Coyle again needs to win his strips at Bolton before making the step up.
Marco Van Basten did not have a great time at Ajax and did nothing with Dutch national team that amazing.
People forget that Wenger was a very successful manager at Monaco before becoming Arsenal manager. He earned his strips and already had The European Cup (Champions League) experience getting them to the Semi-Finals losing to a great AC Milan team if I have got facts right.
Deschamp is the most likely at the moment highly successful at Monaco and Marsellie Champions League experience but last I read about him he wanted to return Marsellie to the top of European ellite.
Arsenal is a massive job to take on and the Premier League is most difficult League to win in the world. It’s does need an experienced man at the helm to win it.
wow. over 900 votes and an exact 50-50 split. wenger really has torn our fans apart
Nothing is permanent or static .Do you think the red faced could have survived for so long without winning trophies?I believe whoever takes over from him will have to bring success every sesaon or he is out. Wenger has not been successful these last seasons. The line bewtween and losing is razor thin.
The problem is he thinks he is always right.He is surrounded by yes men who fear for their jobs.The way the gunners play is very easy to counter.Wenger may not agree.Against the red faced and Chelsea he has been found out and the statistic will cause gunner fans heart attack.
Why is this so?I am no soccer expert. Both these teams let the gunners attack because Wenger believs in attack and not defence.And we know so often the match ends in grief for gooner fans.
Unless there is radical departure with regard to tactics and player recruitment,it will business as usual making for more frustrated fans.
For me Guardiola would be perfect but if he came to England it would be for Man U or Chelsea. Unfortunately outside of England those two are seen as the biggest English clubs, even though we know Arsenal are bigger than Chelsea.
The only other person would be Louis Van Gall. He was great at Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Plays attacking attractive football as well. If you read his comments about football and his philosophy it’s perfect for us and very Johan Cryuff!
I would like Wenger to go this summer, appoint Louis Van Gaal. Sell Cesc, Nasri, Almunia, Fabianski, Squilllacci, Eboue, Clichy, Manonne, Traore, Song, Diaby, Denilson, Rosicky, Arshavin, Bendtner, Chamakh, Vela, Eastmond. That will total £100m. Give that to Van Gaal and lets start a new chapter in this great football club of ours.
BTW it was Rioch who bought Bergkamp not Wenger.
Under George Graham we had a much better team.
If we played badly we won 1-0.
If we played well we won 4-0.
Wenger got lucky inheriting good defenders and then getting hold of Sol.
After that we have become 2nd or 3rd rate.
Wenger is not a good coach.
Anyone who wants to keep Wenger is a Manchester United fan.
If Arsenal were the house of parliament, and the vote was 50-50, if it came to a vote of no confidence, the government of the day would probably lose, and an election would be called. Wenger at the moment is analagous to David Cameron; clinging to power only because the Lib. Democrats support him. But the trend is clear. Just like the current government, this Arsenal administration and its leader are increasingly on the nose. Time for a change.
Wenger knows what to do and what not to do … He built this club and he is a great manager… We trust in Wenger keep it up …
You can pick holes in the names i suggested because they are just suggestions and i am sick of people saying there is no other alternatives. The fact is if Wenger decides to go then someone will have to do the job. You have to remeber that Wenger has been at the club for 14 years and in that time there has been a new crop , a new breed of manager. There are not many managers with wengers experience still managing so maybe the job will have to be given to a younger man without European champs league or europa league coaching experience. Also it was only a couple of weeks ago Dragan Stojkovic’s name was being linked as Wengers potential replacement if Wenger was to move upstaires and he has no experience at all of managing in europe. What i am saying is you can focus on the managers failings and say they are not good enough or you can look at the positives. Or suggest a few names yourselves without saying Mourinho or Guardiola. I would be interested in hearing who people would like as next manager. Personally i would like Van Gaal with Bergkamp as number 2 (really, just because i love bergkamp) . I know he didnt have the best time at Bayern but he is probabaly one of the most successfull and experienced out there. God track record with siging players and dealing with difficult characters and at AZ he showed he could take bunch of unknowns and make them champions.
give him the last chance!
because this year we reach final carling, but so unlucky
cant believe its 50/50 – is arsene wenger using sorcery to manipualte peoples votes’???…
Is that what all that voodoo shit he does on the side line is about? – the 360 spins and John Cleese high kicks followed by the baptismal waterbottle throwing…??
Fuck me we’ll need to get Harry Potter onto this
Wenger’s greatest
but please change the philosophy of experienced players should not only print but please bring an experienced and qualified players
Shareholders do not be stingy for the disburse the funds to buy players
Let’s cut the bullshit. Wenger and the board have to go. Best thing to do is boycott the Emirates until they go. Don’t enter the ground so they get your money, just watch from the pubs or home
Get a petition going and get as many people as possible, and if it a real lot of people who are anti Board & Wenger, & show the sponsors
They survive on your money. Don’t give it to them
alan b’Stard M P
Cut the bullshit, piss off back to the tiny Totts. no real supporter would accept such crap. The Arsenal don’t need your money, let the true supporters, watch our great Team. No wonder wer have such poor vocal support at the emirates stadium!!
I actually like Wenger and you can’t knock his passion for the game however in response to some of the drivel that people are writing on this comment page: When Wenger won the double in 97/98 it was largely with the same squad George Graham assembled….and the Bruce Rioch failed with. His sole signings were Bergkamp, Vieria and Diop! So to harp back about what he brought to this club is nonsense. All Wenger proved was he was great at man management and was able to get George Graham’s ‘boring’ Arsenal playing total football.
Now, if we zoom forward to present day and take a long hard look at Wenger’s own squad that he has had time to assemble we can plainly see Arsenal have gone backwards, all be it in an attractive way of playing the game. Gone are the solid foundations that underpinned that double winning side. The likes of Adams and Vieria have never been replaced. It’s like Wenger had the blueprint figured out of how to win the English Premier league but then threw it away and replaced it with lightweight attacking midfielders all over the park! Far too many of the players he has bought over the last 5 years have turned out to be duds! Arshavin! Rosicky! Diaby!!! Fabianski!!! Denilson!!!! Djourou!!! what is the man doing!!
It’s time for a change. Whether that be of philosophy or of management something has to be done. Things have gone stale at Arsenal FC.
One more thing Bergkamp was Wenger’s signing he instructed Dein to buy him whilst he was in talks with Arsenal and still at Grampus 8. It’s in the Arsene Wenger biography the Professor, Dappadon you may want to have a read mate its a good book
well, errrrr, I belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve…
I believe he has turned us against him with his lies. He has lost his way and it is in his interest to leave. he is undoing everything he has accomplished. I dislike him because he is a company man and refuses to listen to us. he will never strengthen enough. time to leave for sure. bye!