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Arsenal team is not on the same level as UTD

by FUCK_ADEBAYOR » Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:46 am

Leaving at 75mins, is never a good feeling, especially when ur at home, but this weekend it was one of our worst performances, i dont see the idea of always putting up these "Belive" banners, it never ever works and has no effect on the game. I think the team wenger put out was the strongest he could of put out, but they where labbered in everything they did, i think they wasted all there energy on talking up the game, and speaking of its importance, than actually being mentally focused, as rooney clearly demonstrated, with his drive and wilingness to get from his box to ours and score, and not a single arsenal player could stop him,

So wenger needs to

Sell denillson, eboue,bendntner walcott, rosisicky and eduardo, shake it up with fresh new good players, that cost mone, why wont wenger F***king ever admit that buying players already established would automatically increase the level of the team, as arshavin did a year a go, wenger doesnt wanna buy big because if he spends big then he must achieve there is no excususe theres no youth to grow up or mature, it puts pressure for him 2 deliver and wenger doesnt like that, so i think he should move on and become the France national coach and we should get a manager who aint that tight fisted
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Re: Arsenal team is not on the same level as UTD

by Roger Milla » Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:54 am

Its the same as last season in the champions league. And the same everytime we play Chelsea.

Wenger gets the tactics wrong and we get hammed. But you would think and hope that wenger would learn his lesson.

Wenger always seems to play one striker and flood the midfield, it never words.

Wenger said before the game that Arsenal were " a different animal " this season Yeah we have become a weaker one. But this is what happens when you sell your best players without signing cover.

Look at Man Utd, 3 titles in a row. Champions league winners, they can sell a player like Ronaldo, lose Ferdinhand and Vidic and still have enough class to outplay us.

Why? Strength in depth

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Re: Arsenal team is not on the same level as UTD

by liri » Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:55 am

We havent been the same level with MAN UTD and Chelsea since 2006.
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Re: Arsenal team is not on the same level as UTD

by damir » Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:56 am

exactly,I agree 100%!he wont admit his philosophy sucks,if you buy established players you can have some benefit from them immediately,buying youngsters and players who aren't established yet is creating all those problems in our play,and after they are established he is selling them,what's the point?!he said he couldn't find better players than Bendtner and Eduardo,is he just crazy or a man who can throw a big lie like a candy
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Re: Arsenal team is not on the same level as UTD

by Curt.B » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:38 am

Ridiculous, sell Eboue? He's F##king back up to the first team, hardly doing us damage. Sell Rosicky? One of the only players in our team that plays with spirit when our backs are against the wall, and one of our better players when he gets a run of games. Sell Bedntner? He's in his early twenty's and is still in EARLY development.

The rest, I will possibly give to you. I still want to see what becomes of Walcott when he is under a new manager or played on the wing of a 4-4-2, though.
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Re: Arsenal team is not on the same level as UTD

by King Malta » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:09 pm

Curt.B wrote:Ridiculous, sell Eboue? He's F##king back up to the first team, hardly doing us damage. Sell Rosicky? One of the only players in our team that plays with spirit when our backs are against the balls, and one of our better players when he gets a run of games. Sell Bedntner? He's in his early twenty's and is still in EARLY development.

The rest, I will possibly give to you. I still want to see what becomes of Walcott when he is under a new manager or played on the wing of a 4-4-2, though.



gotta agree with curt.

anyone who still wants eboue sold is F##king blind and holds a ridiculous grudge. rosicky is one of our best players for sure.
and Nic still has plenty of time to develop, there no point in coming to a conclusion yet.
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Re: Arsenal team is not on the same level as UTD

by Deano » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:33 pm

Anyone that leaves after 75 minutes of ANY game deserves f##k all IMVHO.

These aren't real fans, which is also a big part of the problem at the Emirates. These 'fans' sit there quiet as mouses for 75mins and then leave when things haven't gone their way. They need to go to an away game and see how real fans conduct themselves.

Very sad, but very true.

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Re: Arsenal team is not on the same level as UTD

by Craigie » Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:04 pm

Depends how you define level. I think we are a better team than Man United, purely because their team is the worst it's been in a while. They haven't played that well this season, but they're a team who can turn up for big games.

But this where we suffer and is the reason we'll never win the Champion's League with this squad. With some luck, we can bash smaller teams for the rest of the season and be in with a shot of the league, but in Europe over 2 legs I don't see us beating a big game side over 2 legs. We have good players, but we don't have big game players.
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It’s Not As Bad As It Seems… Yet

by ArsenalZeBest » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:32 pm

I won’t be calling for Wenger to resign and I also won’t be pronouncing our title challenge dead on arrival. My regular readers will know that I am fully behind and committed to Arsene Wenger and that I am hardcore optimist when it comes to the Arsenal. While others around me lose their heads, I try to be the lone voice of reason… or hope.

Despite some of the stuff I’ve read, I didn’t think we played a terrible match. If the two own goals cancel themselves out, we were beaten by two counterattacks. Two very ugly counterattacks, defensively-speaking, on our part. And here is where I will ask a question of the Boss. The fixture has left me wondering if maybe there is such a thing as “too much attack.”

How many times did we lose possession on the edge of our final third only to find the ball quickly pumped up to Rooney, who then found himself with the opportunity to run at an isolated defender? Almost too many too count. Where is the defense? No one appreciates the club’s footballing ethos more than myself. But I wonder if, in the big matches like this one, we really must find a way to temper our attacking enthusiasm in a bid to protect our already vulnerable defense.

Let’s be honest. Even with the addition of Vermaelen, our defense is a far cry from what it was for most of the 2007-08 season. Clichy is a shell of his former self and so is Sagna, for that matter. Gallas is better than he was for much of that season and Vermaelen is better than Toure was but we still ship goals against quality sides at times.

Our whole approach, at least in the big matches, seems to have an air of naivete′ around it. Do we really think that we can approach United or Chelsea like we would, say, Pompey or Bolton? Even at home? I believe Wenger must realize that we have to begin to compromise-just a bit-when it comes to our tactics against bigger sides.

Opposition does not have to worry when we get the ball into wide areas because they know we have no one in the box capable of scoring with their head. The return of Bendtner is promising but he is obviously far from being anywhere near 100%. The fact that Theo is also far from his best means that, at the moment, we have no extra speed or aerial threat. It makes it much easier for sides to clog the middle and when everyone pushed forward yesterday you got the sense that we were falling for United’s trap.

Don’t get me wrong. I respect the Boss and his footballing philosophy and I certainly don’t think some big overhaul is needed in either management, personnel, or tactics. But, look at what United did to us yesterday. They were content to cede much possession in return for playing most of their game on the counterattack. And it was highly effective. We should learn and take something from that.

On the other hand, we created more than enough chances to win that match. Arshavin alone had enough chances that he should have realistically had at least two goals. Sometimes, the gods punish those who try to do the right thing. We couldn’t take our chances yesterday for whatever reason and the match certainly had that “it’s just not going to go in” vibe about it. But, unlike in the past, it wasn’t for lack of trying. The team came out shooting but they just wouldn’t go in.

I’ve said for years that the thing that distinguishes the current team from the Invincibles is our lack of an effective counterattack. I guess that’s to be expected from a team that dominates possession, even against the other top sides. It has improved recently with the addition of Arshavin, but we play at a far slower pace now than we did in 2004. Having a side willing to go on a fast counterattack is the difference between a draw, or loss, for this side and a win for the 2001-04 side. Yesterday, United looked more like the Invincibles, in that respect, than we did.

Either way, we can make up the ground lost at Chelsea next weekend and be back where we started when this run of fixtures started. It won’t be ideal, but it could be worse. Next Sunday now becomes a sort of acid test for this side. I try to avoid pronouncements like that, but after the Villa draw and the loss yesterday, we can’t see it any other way. We will not be able to make up another double-digit deficit on Chelsea or United at this stage of the season. On Sunday, we will see just how bad we want it and how much Wenger has learned from the two spirit-crushing home defeats.
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Re: It’s Not As Bad As It Seems… Yet

by damir » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:48 pm

the truth is we could somehow by accident win in game against Chelsea and all this circus could turn in opposite direction,anything is possible,but with or without a win against Chelsea our chances are minimal,not impossible but minimal and for now we shouldn't have some big hopes!the truth is that Manchester and Chelsea aren't playing that well like they did in past few seasons and that's why we are somehow closer to them then we were before
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