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 Post subject: Re: Mathieu Flamini
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:15 am 
Bob Wilson
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TOPGOONER49 wrote:
f##k that, I have pride.

hehe,yes I know and I agree,but it isn't easy for us to sign anyone new and it looks like it is the only way for us to sign dm and we desperately need good dm player!I said I prefer Melo not Flamini but I am afraid that will not happen


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 Post subject: Re: Mathieu Flamini
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:50 am 
Andy Ducat

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cerbera wrote:
TOPGOONER49 wrote:
f##k that, I have pride.

You'd have even more if he returns and we win the league.

LOL!

Yes... Flamini will win us the League, just like he did last time .


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 Post subject: Re: Mathieu Flamini
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:39 pm 
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TOPGOONER49 wrote:
cerbera wrote:
TOPGOONER49 wrote:
f##k that, I have pride.

You'd have even more if he returns and we win the league.

LOL!

Yes... Flamini will win us the League, just like he did last time .

He would've if not for that asshat Wenger not having a proper winger in the team to give the team width. In all the years we didn't win the league that year was the closest we came to it, just 4 points away despite Wenger F##king it up. It's no coincidence it was when Flamini was on top form. Look at the poor season Cesc had last season, compare it to the one he had before when Flamini was his midfield partner. Again no coincidence there. If you can't acknowledge then I think you just hate him simply because he left us for Milan. Did you know he wasn't even making 20k a month at Arsenal? The whole time he was playing for us he was still on the contract he originally signed for - the junior contract and we held out from giving him a proper deal befitting his role in the team. Milan came and offered him something respectful and he took it up. I don't see anything wrong with what he did.

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 Post subject: Re: Mathieu Flamini
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:03 pm 
Andy Ducat

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To be honest, I'm not even going to dignify such a naive post with a long response.

To say that Flamini, a player who not only left us in a negative fashion, but also proven to lack the quality to play first team football for a team we knocked out of the Champions League with competition of players all over 30, is good enough to single handedly win us the league absurd.

*Shakes head*


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 Post subject: Re: Mathieu Flamini
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:25 pm 
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TOPGOONER49 wrote:
To be honest, I'm not even going to dignify such a naive post with a long response.

To say that Flamini, a player who not only left us in a negative fashion, but also proven to lack the quality to play first team football for a team we knocked out of the Champions League with competition of players all over 30, is good enough to single handedly win us the league absurd.

*Shakes head*

Show me where I said he can single handedly win the league. If you're not gonna address what I said, and make up false quotes then there's no point to this. You saw above where I said we came closest to winning the league when he was in his best form. Your point about him not being able to get into the Milan team isn't really valid either. Flamini was a Galliani signing, not an Ancelotti signing. What it means is that the manager didn't have him in his plans and wasn't pleased about him being signed behind his back so he didn't play him. It had absolutely nothing to do with his performance. You saying he couldn't even get into the team suggests he's not good. By that I guess you think Tevez is too cos he couldn't get into Man United's starting line up. Get your facts straight before you go throwing hate around.

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 Post subject: Re: Mathieu Flamini
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:00 am 
Andy Ducat

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OK, I'll break this up for you.
1) What is the point in saying "in all the years we didn't win the league", who cares? We came third, and to be honest the only reason we were 4 points away was because United had already won the League and no longer felt the need to go at it at their best. We won the League before Flamini.
2) You can't compare Tevez' predicament to Flamini's at all. Tevez was up against some of the best players in the world in their position, all of which were playing at their peak. Ronaldo and Rooney, for example, cannot be compared to the outdated Gattuso, Ambrosini, Seedorf etc. Despite these players still being top quality, it is rather insulting for a player at Flamini's ag e to lose out against them.

It is a fact, whether anybody likes to accept it or not, that as the season went on, Flamini's performances as a DEFENSIVE Midfielder worsened. In fact, at the end of the year he seemed to be more attacking than anything, hence the reason Fabregas's goal-scoring decreased. Also, if Flamini was such a good Defensive Midfielder than why was our goals-conceded tally so poor?


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 Post subject: Re: Mathieu Flamini
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:53 am 
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TOPGOONER49 wrote:
1) What is the point in saying "in all the years we didn't win the league", who cares? We came third, and to be honest the only reason we were 4 points away was because United had already won the League and no longer felt the need to go at it at their best. We won the League before Flamini.

WRONG! United won the league on the final day. They went up to Wigan and played them and Chelsea played Bolton on that day. I remember people were even saying Steve Bruce gave United the match, he even had the ploughed land they call a football pitch relayed just for that game. United won that day while Chelsea drew and United were named Champions. It was the first time this decade that the title came down to the final day so get your facts straight.

TOPGOONER49 wrote:
2) You can't compare Tevez' predicament to Flamini's at all. Tevez was up against some of the best players in the world in their position, all of which were playing at their peak. Ronaldo and Rooney, for example, cannot be compared to the outdated Gattuso, Ambrosini, Seedorf etc. Despite these players still being top quality, it is rather insulting for a player at Flamini's ag e to lose out against them.

Flamini didn't lose his place because of his performance. He didn't get much of a role in the team because he wasn't Ancelotti's signing. It was Galliani who signed him and Ancelotti was pissed that he went behind his back and signed him so he didn't bother with him at all. It's also partly why Ancelotti left Milan for Chelsea, because he felt he no longer had control over the spending at the San Siro. Last season both Flamini and Shevchenko were brought in despite Ancelotti not having plans for them. What happened there is no indication of his ability. If the manager doesn't like you he's just not gonna play you.

TOPGOONER49 wrote:
It is a fact, whether anybody likes to accept it or not, that as the season went on, Flamini's performances as a DEFENSIVE Midfielder worsened. In fact, at the end of the year he seemed to be more attacking than anything, hence the reason Fabregas's goal-scoring decreased.

What are you talking about?! Cesc scored the most goals he's ever scored in one season in that season when Flamini was his midfield partner. He had his best season there, no doubt about it. Don't believe me? Look at the diagram below:
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Cesc Fabregas - Full Arsenal Record.JPG

Here's the link to it too, from the official club site, in case you think I doctored that up:
http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players/cesc-fabregas

TOPGOONER49 wrote:
Also, if Flamini was such a good Defensive Midfielder than why was our goals-conceded tally so poor?

I went to premierleague.com to check on our goals conceded stats and you're making a mountain out of a molehill here. That season we conceded 31 goals. Chelsea conceded just 5 less than that with 26 goals and United conceded just 9 less with 22 goals. You're making it seem as though we conceded 50 goals that season. Why are you forgetting Gallas' behaviour and poor form affecting the team? Why are you also forgetting that with Rosicky out for so long we had no proper left winger with Wenger like an idiot playing Diaby on the left wing, knowing he'd just float back into the center and cluster f##k the middle? It's for those reasons we conceded 31 goals. Not Flamini. It's because of Flamini why Cesc could go forward and score 13 goals that season, the most since he's been at Arsenal.

Oh and if you don't believe me about the goals conceded you can always go check it for yourself here:
http://www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics


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