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Re: The Injury Thread

by King Malta » Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:49 pm

i agree damir, i really am scared ramsey will never recover.

but diaby did, so hopefully ramsey will too!
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Re: The Injury Thread

by King Malta » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:24 pm

Just seen this pointed out on Soccernet and I must agree:

Glen Whelan is a good bloke. From the moment of the tackle, Whelan was with Ramsey right until he was put on that strecher. Good on Glen.
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Re: The Injury Thread

by Reddaz » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:29 pm

Curt.B wrote:For f##k sake I hadn't watched the injury again until now, Shawcross swings in like a goddamn animal.

The true villain in this is the media, managers, and people who deem it tactically justifiable to kick at Arsenal. Because 'Arsenal don't like it up 'em.'
A culture has been bred which encourages players to give Arsenal players a little bit extra. Shawcross may not have swing his leg in thinking, "Yes, time to break me an ankle!" But I don't doubt at all that in the back of his mind was the niggling instruction, "Tackle them hard boys, they don't like it." Slow motion and close-up replays confirm the illegality and violence of the tackle, I think the shock on Shawcrosses face is more born from a realistation that tackling like this does have unbelieivably serious consequences.
Just from look at a few of the comments on other blog pages (like football365), people labelling Ramsey and Arsenal players as girls, highlights how out of hand this idea of getting up at 'em when you play Arsenal has gotten. Pundits are actually considering the option now that it is simply because Arsenal is soft. Have somebody viciously kick you and break your tibia and fibula, and then tell me that complaining is soft.
Its happening to frequently to be conicedence, but don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for conspiracy. i don't believe there is a meeting of minds whose sole purpose is to break Arsenal player's legs. However, I don believe it is common knowedge that it is okay to go in extra hard on Arsenal players, becuase they don't like...as though there is any footballers who do.
I'm not saying Shawcross is the victim here, and I'm not at all absolving his responsibility; he's guilty as sin of recklessness and violence. However, I think its pretty impossible to deny that the effects of this media forest fire, that its okay to kick at Arsenal because they don't like it; give them an 'English tackle', is reaping its terrible path.

Wenger should call a press conference and just tell this straight. Don't mince words, just say it how it is.


I agree with you. Well said

There is fact here which is proof. You can't prove the intent but you can prove that the guy went in with unnecessary force? As Curt says the guy swang his leg like an animal. You don't do that sort of challenge unless you want a piece of the player too especially with the pace of football.

If I was to punch someone in the face, they hit the floor head first and then died from the impact of hitting their head on the floor I would still be arrested for man slaughter ? Even though I didn't intend to kill the guy or it to go that far, I am still responsible for my own actions ? Yet this guy doesn't have to take any responsibilty for breaking Ramsay's leg ? It isn't about the intent it is about what happened due to this guys malice and as we all know it isn't the first time he has done it.

Shawcross is SCUM!

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Re: The Injury Thread

by Curt.B » Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:53 pm

ARSENAL NEWS
Surgeon offers hope over Ramsey injury

March 1, 2010

The surgeon who operated on Arsenal forward Eduardo's horrific leg injury has offered hope to Gunners fans praying Aaron Ramsey makes a full recovery from a similar setback.

Ramsey was stretchered off and taken straight to hospital after breaking his tibia and fibula in a challenge with Stoke defender Ryan Shawcross on Saturday.

He underwent surgery which the club revealed "successfully reduced the fractures", and Dr Khalid Baloch is cautiously optimistic that the 19-year-old - rated as one of the most promising young players in the Premier League - could one day return at the same level.

"If it's a straightforward fracture that's been dealt with appropriately with intensive physio then you stand a good chance of returning back to the previous level of activity," he said.

"It is quite variable. The simplest fractures may heal up in two or three months and then there is a period of rehabilitation involved - especially with elite-level athletes.

"On the other hand, if it's a very serious injury it may take many months for the area to heal up and return back to functional activities. You've got a time period of anywhere from two or three months to six months for recovery.

"If it's a simple fracture then he is more likely to return to his previous level of activity. As the injury becomes more severe then obviously the rehabilitation is much harder and it's harder to return back to activity."

Having had a first-hand view of Eduardo's injury - suffered as a result of Birmingham defender Martin Taylor's challenge two years ago - at Selly Oak Hospital in the West Midlands, Dr Baloch is well qualified to speak on Ramsey's situation.

And he said: "If you look at the way Ramsey was tackled, it looks a fairly similar mechanism of injury (to Eduardo). There are lots of bones around that area so it's difficult to know whether it's the same bone that has been injured or not, but the area that's been injured is similar.

"There are different levels of fracture, which would have different treatment options. With anyone who breaks the lower part of their leg, what you do is look to reduce the fragments, or the bone pieces, back to where they should be and then they are held by screws or plates.

"It varies on exactly where the fracture is but in principle that is what you would do for a fracture around that area."

On the rehabilitation process, he added: "Initially most people are trying to get a range of movement back and also try to build up the muscles around that limb and reduce swelling and discomfort, that is the early phase of the rehabilitation process.

"Beyond that phase there is an increase in the range of impact activities with gradual progression to running and then back to sporting activities over a minimum six to 12 months."
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Re: The Injury Thread

by Deano » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:22 pm

King Malta wrote:i agree damir, i really am scared ramsey will never recover.

but diaby did, so hopefully ramsey will too!


Diaby 'only' dislocated his ankle and didnt break any bones. There's a world of difference in severity between the two. Diaby was always going to come back 100%, the same hopes cant be held for Ramsey. The only comparison and hope we can draw on is the case of Djibril Cisse, who had an the same double break.
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Re: The Injury Thread

by damir » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:46 pm

Deano wrote:
King Malta wrote:i agree damir, i really am scared ramsey will never recover.

but diaby did, so hopefully ramsey will too!


Diaby 'only' dislocated his ankle and didnt break any bones. There's a world of difference in severity between the two. Diaby was always going to come back 100%, the same hopes cant be held for Ramsey. The only comparison and hope we can draw on is the case of Djibril Cisse, who had an the same double break.

nigerian international I can't remember his name had treble bone fracture when he played for Fenerbache,I think he also came back,anyway I think any comparison is not grateful,his recovery depends on many factors
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Re: The Injury Thread

by Curt.B » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:58 pm

Cisse was never the same after his injury. His is the msot similar to what Ramsey has suffered; fracturd tibia and fibula. Ramsey's may even be worse with the joint fracture. But then again, Cisse broke his leg twice, at least that is some comfort to us, in a sick, twisted way.

And hey, he was just recalled to the France team and is in stellar form so all is not lost.
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Re: The Injury Thread

by King Malta » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:17 am

Deano wrote:
King Malta wrote:i agree damir, i really am scared ramsey will never recover.

but diaby did, so hopefully ramsey will too!


Diaby 'only' dislocated his ankle and didnt break any bones. There's a world of difference in severity between the two. Diaby was always going to come back 100%, the same hopes cant be held for Ramsey. The only comparison and hope we can draw on is the case of Djibril Cisse, who had an the same double break.



oh ok, i thought diaby broke a bone....

This is very worrying. Ramsey's a stunning talent, and I don't think he'll be MENTALLY effected as much as physically. How much Pace will he lose after this? Or possibly power also.

I hope he comes back the same player
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Re: The Injury Thread

by Deano » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:23 pm

It's hard to believe that there ARE some people out there that see it exactly how we see it. This is a very refreshing watch!

http://www.skysports.com/video/clips/0, ... 57,00.html
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Re: The Injury Thread

by Deano » Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:54 am

Wenger says Ramseys injury 'not career threatening' on SSN.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 03,00.html
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